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		<title>By: Thy Roboy (a pseudonym)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thy Roboy (a pseudonym)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to thank Michael, also, because I am writing a paper on the blackboard patent.  I am certainly not qualified to enter the education patent debate, but as a long-time network engineer I am surprised that the prior art discussion focuses so unilaterally on LMS and education themed technologies when the Blackboard patent seems to have done nothing more than combine the method of networking, clearly explained in the documentation for Microsoft Windows NT, with the idea of having a student and instructor role (because Microsoft labled one of the built-in &quot;roles&quot; with the title &quot;administrator&quot;).  As an aspiring patent litigator, I am utterly amazed at the breadth of scope found in Blackboard&#039;s independent claims.  While I firmly support the idea that education and patent are terms in opposition, and that &quot;education patents&quot; should not exist in principal, I am more concerned that the PTO grants patents to any computer or internet application of well known methods.  This problem was mentioned in a law review article by Stanford professor Mark Lemley as early as 2002 (The Growing Complexity of the United States Patent System; John R. Allison and Mark A. Lemley; 82 B.U. L. Rev. 77 (2002)).  Please let me know if I have missed something in my research, but it seems like Blackboard is trying to patent more than just the traditional model of education, but also the traditional model of share, folder, and file management with password protection - like a combination of Windows NT and traditional education.  Even under the weak Teaching, Suggestion, Motivation test, there certainly seems to have been motivation, if not teaching and suggestion to combine network technology with education methodology after the advent of the internet.  I feel like computer companies like Apple, IBM and (heh heh) Packard Bell were advertising the potential that computer networks had to replace the face to face student/instructor model in the early to mid 1980s.
I want to thank you again for posting.  This is going to be an exciting year for patent law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to thank Michael, also, because I am writing a paper on the blackboard patent.  I am certainly not qualified to enter the education patent debate, but as a long-time network engineer I am surprised that the prior art discussion focuses so unilaterally on LMS and education themed technologies when the Blackboard patent seems to have done nothing more than combine the method of networking, clearly explained in the documentation for Microsoft Windows NT, with the idea of having a student and instructor role (because Microsoft labled one of the built-in &#8220;roles&#8221; with the title &#8220;administrator&#8221;).  As an aspiring patent litigator, I am utterly amazed at the breadth of scope found in Blackboard&#8217;s independent claims.  While I firmly support the idea that education and patent are terms in opposition, and that &#8220;education patents&#8221; should not exist in principal, I am more concerned that the PTO grants patents to any computer or internet application of well known methods.  This problem was mentioned in a law review article by Stanford professor Mark Lemley as early as 2002 (The Growing Complexity of the United States Patent System; John R. Allison and Mark A. Lemley; 82 B.U. L. Rev. 77 (2002)).  Please let me know if I have missed something in my research, but it seems like Blackboard is trying to patent more than just the traditional model of education, but also the traditional model of share, folder, and file management with password protection &#8211; like a combination of Windows NT and traditional education.  Even under the weak Teaching, Suggestion, Motivation test, there certainly seems to have been motivation, if not teaching and suggestion to combine network technology with education methodology after the advent of the internet.  I feel like computer companies like Apple, IBM and (heh heh) Packard Bell were advertising the potential that computer networks had to replace the face to face student/instructor model in the early to mid 1980s.<br />
I want to thank you again for posting.  This is going to be an exciting year for patent law.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Severance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Severance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I drove this morning, it occurred that I failed to mention my view of Michael&#039;s role in this activity past six months.  Perhaps this thread is not the place - but what the heck.

Michael and several other bloggers were the voice for this activity while many of us had to work silently developing legal responses to the patent.   In a sense Michael has given a public voice to many of the private discussions that were happening &quot;off the grid&quot;.

In doing his job as a journalist over the past six months, I know that Michael has had sensitive information which he handled with great professionalism.  As a big part of the public face of this activity - Michael took his responsibility very seriously as any journalist should.

So while we celebrate the new &quot;transparency&quot; and the addition to many new and exciting voices to the mix - I just want to personally acknowledge and thank Michael for his and dedication to this issue for the past six months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I drove this morning, it occurred that I failed to mention my view of Michael&#8217;s role in this activity past six months.  Perhaps this thread is not the place &#8211; but what the heck.</p>
<p>Michael and several other bloggers were the voice for this activity while many of us had to work silently developing legal responses to the patent.   In a sense Michael has given a public voice to many of the private discussions that were happening &#8220;off the grid&#8221;.</p>
<p>In doing his job as a journalist over the past six months, I know that Michael has had sensitive information which he handled with great professionalism.  As a big part of the public face of this activity &#8211; Michael took his responsibility very seriously as any journalist should.</p>
<p>So while we celebrate the new &#8220;transparency&#8221; and the addition to many new and exciting voices to the mix &#8211; I just want to personally acknowledge and thank Michael for his and dedication to this issue for the past six months.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Severance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Severance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These past two weeks have seen a great deal of dialog about these issues - including this blog entry and its comments.  I like to take a broad and long-term view of these things and try to think how we will look back at some point in the future at the events of the past weeks rather than responding to the passion of the moment.

I think that when the history of these past few weeks is written - the overriding thing that we will remember is *not* that voices were raised or there was some rhetoric or which metaphors were used and whether or not and to what extent some folks found it shocking or offensive....

Instead, I think that in the fullness of time, we will realize that this was mostly about transparency and how that transparency of the past week ultimately will have moved the discussions forward in a positive direction.

Conversations have been going on and there has been conflict and discussion simmering under the surface since June when this all started.  I have been part of many small discussions and frankly I am happy that these discussions are happening in a more public way now.  A critical element to allow these discussions to move into the public space (meetings, blogs, etc) was the filing of the re-exam at the USPTO.  Now that the filing has happened - the open discussion has started.

Part of the key to transparency is that it is *transparent* - we get to see what is going on - warts and all.  Like many conflicts - this is not simple, nor cut and dried - there are rough edges here and there - we have to accept that.  We should not rail against the rough edges - we should be happy that we are finally all talking about these things in a way that we can all watch as it happens.

I have been involved in lots of discussions over the past six months and really have a lot of respect for everyone involved including the Sakai Board, SFLC, Martin Dougiamas, Greg Gay, Desire2Learn, and Blackboard.  What we are doing here is not easy - there is no *book* that tells us the answers - we are working through the issues together even though on the surface it seems like we are at odds.  Even with the public rhetoric of the past week, the discussions are still continuing and I am hopeful that a solution may yet emerge.

So I encourage folks to take a somewhat longer view here and appreciate the level of maturity that this field has reached which makes this kind of discussion possible.

Transparency is our right to see what is going on - that is a basic right and a value of our communities - transparency does not guarantee that you will always like what you see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These past two weeks have seen a great deal of dialog about these issues &#8211; including this blog entry and its comments.  I like to take a broad and long-term view of these things and try to think how we will look back at some point in the future at the events of the past weeks rather than responding to the passion of the moment.</p>
<p>I think that when the history of these past few weeks is written &#8211; the overriding thing that we will remember is *not* that voices were raised or there was some rhetoric or which metaphors were used and whether or not and to what extent some folks found it shocking or offensive&#8230;.</p>
<p>Instead, I think that in the fullness of time, we will realize that this was mostly about transparency and how that transparency of the past week ultimately will have moved the discussions forward in a positive direction.</p>
<p>Conversations have been going on and there has been conflict and discussion simmering under the surface since June when this all started.  I have been part of many small discussions and frankly I am happy that these discussions are happening in a more public way now.  A critical element to allow these discussions to move into the public space (meetings, blogs, etc) was the filing of the re-exam at the USPTO.  Now that the filing has happened &#8211; the open discussion has started.</p>
<p>Part of the key to transparency is that it is *transparent* &#8211; we get to see what is going on &#8211; warts and all.  Like many conflicts &#8211; this is not simple, nor cut and dried &#8211; there are rough edges here and there &#8211; we have to accept that.  We should not rail against the rough edges &#8211; we should be happy that we are finally all talking about these things in a way that we can all watch as it happens.</p>
<p>I have been involved in lots of discussions over the past six months and really have a lot of respect for everyone involved including the Sakai Board, SFLC, Martin Dougiamas, Greg Gay, Desire2Learn, and Blackboard.  What we are doing here is not easy &#8211; there is no *book* that tells us the answers &#8211; we are working through the issues together even though on the surface it seems like we are at odds.  Even with the public rhetoric of the past week, the discussions are still continuing and I am hopeful that a solution may yet emerge.</p>
<p>So I encourage folks to take a somewhat longer view here and appreciate the level of maturity that this field has reached which makes this kind of discussion possible.</p>
<p>Transparency is our right to see what is going on &#8211; that is a basic right and a value of our communities &#8211; transparency does not guarantee that you will always like what you see.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Langhoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Langhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to it a few days ago. Very interesting, and very harsh words from Eben -- so much so that some people ended up feeling it was a bit too much.

AFAICS, the reason Eben is acting like that is that there are many companies that are considering threatening FOSS with patents, and they are taking a wait-and-see approach before exposing themselves.
Given the situation, Eben (who is an outstanding lawyer and lecturer in IP law) needs to make an example of the first company who tries anything.

Blackboard have been a bit foolish in that their patent is weak, and the educational community very strong. And that their timing puts them right in Eben Moglen&#039;s cross-hairs. So he wants to make sure they are going to get trounced at the USPTO, the court and the media.

Listen carefully when he says that FOSS is being threatened by a company with huge resources... that is not Blackboard. That is exactly who he is talking to.

It doesn&#039;t make me happy to be part of this larger war, but in any case, it&#039;s good to be part of one of the easy scare-the-wits-out-of-them battles.

(To clarify: I am one of the core developers in the Moodle project. Your blog post inspired me to write the above, originally posted at http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=60794#275627 )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to it a few days ago. Very interesting, and very harsh words from Eben &#8212; so much so that some people ended up feeling it was a bit too much.</p>
<p>AFAICS, the reason Eben is acting like that is that there are many companies that are considering threatening FOSS with patents, and they are taking a wait-and-see approach before exposing themselves.<br />
Given the situation, Eben (who is an outstanding lawyer and lecturer in IP law) needs to make an example of the first company who tries anything.</p>
<p>Blackboard have been a bit foolish in that their patent is weak, and the educational community very strong. And that their timing puts them right in Eben Moglen&#8217;s cross-hairs. So he wants to make sure they are going to get trounced at the USPTO, the court and the media.</p>
<p>Listen carefully when he says that FOSS is being threatened by a company with huge resources&#8230; that is not Blackboard. That is exactly who he is talking to.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make me happy to be part of this larger war, but in any case, it&#8217;s good to be part of one of the easy scare-the-wits-out-of-them battles.</p>
<p>(To clarify: I am one of the core developers in the Moodle project. Your blog post inspired me to write the above, originally posted at <a href="http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=60794#275627" rel="nofollow">http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=60794#275627</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Fontana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Fontana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, what Joseph says is correct.  By the time I knew that the ex parte request had been given an official filing date from the USPTO and was considered complete, the materials were already publicly available online through the USPTO and thus were readily accessible to D2L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, what Joseph says is correct.  By the time I knew that the ex parte request had been given an official filing date from the USPTO and was considered complete, the materials were already publicly available online through the USPTO and thus were readily accessible to D2L.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hardin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Hardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, why not give D2L a couple days lead time by sending them a copy of the SFLC filing &quot;as a courtesy...once officially submitted?&quot;  I&#039;m not sure, and again it would be best for Richard to respond, as he did the filing.  Perhaps Richard was waiting for the &quot;official&quot; notification of receipt of the filing, that the USPTO had indeed received the filing.  That&#039;s an official procedures thing.  We put press stuff on hold till we&#039;d gotten that word from the USPTO.  As you state, D2L would have access to it in a couple days anyway.  And while I would be all for sharing the material after filing was completed, I don&#039;t think this makes much difference, really.  The real difference is in the divergence of the respective strategies, not in questions of courtesy.  It is the substantive differences in approach and their underlying rationales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, why not give D2L a couple days lead time by sending them a copy of the SFLC filing &#8220;as a courtesy&#8230;once officially submitted?&#8221;  I&#8217;m not sure, and again it would be best for Richard to respond, as he did the filing.  Perhaps Richard was waiting for the &#8220;official&#8221; notification of receipt of the filing, that the USPTO had indeed received the filing.  That&#8217;s an official procedures thing.  We put press stuff on hold till we&#8217;d gotten that word from the USPTO.  As you state, D2L would have access to it in a couple days anyway.  And while I would be all for sharing the material after filing was completed, I don&#8217;t think this makes much difference, really.  The real difference is in the divergence of the respective strategies, not in questions of courtesy.  It is the substantive differences in approach and their underlying rationales.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Feldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Feldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 01:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t understand this rationale. The question at hand is not why SFLC is filing separately or employing different legal strategy. The question is why the ex parte filing, once officially submitted, was not provided as a courtesy to D2L upon their request, particularly when they would have public access to it within days of filing anyway. Is there some legal difference when they get the filing from the USPTO as opposed to getting it directly from the SFLC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t understand this rationale. The question at hand is not why SFLC is filing separately or employing different legal strategy. The question is why the ex parte filing, once officially submitted, was not provided as a courtesy to D2L upon their request, particularly when they would have public access to it within days of filing anyway. Is there some legal difference when they get the filing from the USPTO as opposed to getting it directly from the SFLC?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hardin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Hardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 01:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
I am sorry for your discomfort, and for any other attendee&#039;s discomfort.  But the solution you propose is not a very good one.  Do you really want me to use a viewer discretion rating for sessions at future conferences?  I would prefer for us to assume the most on the part of our attendees, and then when a situation arises that causes discomfort, work it out through discussion, as we are doing here.  It&#039;s educational for all of us.

Wytze,
Thanks for the note.  Eben or Richard from SFLC would be best to answer the question about not sharing materials with D2L, of course.

But I&#039;ll give you what I know of the background.  Ever heard of the word &quot;estoppel&quot;?  I hadn&#039;t either till very recently.  I don&#039;t like the wikipedia definition, so here is another, from http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e040.htm - &quot;A bar which precludes someone from denying the truth of a fact which has been determined in an official proceeding or by an authoritative body.&quot;  But, as the entry goes on to say, it really just means &quot;stopped&quot; or &quot;blocked&quot; but with the freight of a bunch of legal precedents and contexts thrown in.

Now, in the case here, it is of interest because it means that someone is effectively &quot;estopped&quot; or blocked from using prior art in their defense in a lawsuit if that prior art has been raised in a separate proceeding, like a re-examination, with the US patent office and found not invalidating.  If a piece of prior art has been examined by the USPTO and found wanting, in other words, it loses most if not all of its value in a court of law, the place where you would be sued, in this case by BB, for infringement of their patent.

In other words: prior art can be &quot;used up&quot; and rendered pretty much useless if it is used in a re-exam and the USPTO doesn&#039;t buy that it is real, applicable prior art.

Next, we need to know the difference between the ways D2L and SFLC are proceeding with their separate re-exams.  I&#039;m sure there are lots of nuances here, and I might refer you to Michael&#039;s recent blog on the differences between &quot;ex parte&quot; and &quot;inter partes&quot; re-examinations.  I haven&#039;t read it, but Michael usually does a good job with stuff like this.  Anyway, D2L is going the inter partes route.  SFLC is going the ex parte route.  There are potential collisions in prior art space because of this.  The way I understand it, SFLC is very, very concerned that D2L will use up lots of perfectly good prior art and not get what they, or we, want: the patent rendered void, or crippled beyond our caring.

Because they are embarked on an inter partes re-exam, D2L is obligated (part of the law in doing inter partes; no choice) to use all the prior art they are aware of during the re-exam.  They could, if they end up unsuccessful, use up a lot of prior art in their one shot.  They could effectively estopp (block) that prior art from being used in another context.  There are, again, lots of details here and ways I could have stated this incorrectly, but that&#039;s the gist.

Now, SFLC husbands prior art, using just a little at a time in their ex parte re-exam.  That way, if they don&#039;t get the desired result first time through, they go back, and use a different, perhaps better,(because it&#039;s now tuned with info from the first re-exam) piece of prior art the next time.  In ex parte, there is no requirement to shoot all your bullets the first time through.

I think this difference in strategies is at the base of the concerns and the resultant decision to both try and persuade D2L to not go the route they&#039;re going, and to not get the SFLC prior art all mixed up with the D2L prior art by sharing it with D2L prior to the filing.  See Eben&#039;s note from earlier today on this thread.

I certainly hope D2L is successful.  We all do.  But the expert counsel we have gone to for advice and help think the way they (SFLC) are going about this is simply better.  There are arguments on both sides on this one, like any complicated issue, but I think the SFLC arguments make sense.  And they have done this before, this re-exam using ex parte, successfully.
Hope that helps,

Joseph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
I am sorry for your discomfort, and for any other attendee&#8217;s discomfort.  But the solution you propose is not a very good one.  Do you really want me to use a viewer discretion rating for sessions at future conferences?  I would prefer for us to assume the most on the part of our attendees, and then when a situation arises that causes discomfort, work it out through discussion, as we are doing here.  It&#8217;s educational for all of us.</p>
<p>Wytze,<br />
Thanks for the note.  Eben or Richard from SFLC would be best to answer the question about not sharing materials with D2L, of course.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll give you what I know of the background.  Ever heard of the word &#8220;estoppel&#8221;?  I hadn&#8217;t either till very recently.  I don&#8217;t like the wikipedia definition, so here is another, from <a href="http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e040.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e040.htm</a> &#8211; &#8220;A bar which precludes someone from denying the truth of a fact which has been determined in an official proceeding or by an authoritative body.&#8221;  But, as the entry goes on to say, it really just means &#8220;stopped&#8221; or &#8220;blocked&#8221; but with the freight of a bunch of legal precedents and contexts thrown in.</p>
<p>Now, in the case here, it is of interest because it means that someone is effectively &#8220;estopped&#8221; or blocked from using prior art in their defense in a lawsuit if that prior art has been raised in a separate proceeding, like a re-examination, with the US patent office and found not invalidating.  If a piece of prior art has been examined by the USPTO and found wanting, in other words, it loses most if not all of its value in a court of law, the place where you would be sued, in this case by BB, for infringement of their patent.</p>
<p>In other words: prior art can be &#8220;used up&#8221; and rendered pretty much useless if it is used in a re-exam and the USPTO doesn&#8217;t buy that it is real, applicable prior art.</p>
<p>Next, we need to know the difference between the ways D2L and SFLC are proceeding with their separate re-exams.  I&#8217;m sure there are lots of nuances here, and I might refer you to Michael&#8217;s recent blog on the differences between &#8220;ex parte&#8221; and &#8220;inter partes&#8221; re-examinations.  I haven&#8217;t read it, but Michael usually does a good job with stuff like this.  Anyway, D2L is going the inter partes route.  SFLC is going the ex parte route.  There are potential collisions in prior art space because of this.  The way I understand it, SFLC is very, very concerned that D2L will use up lots of perfectly good prior art and not get what they, or we, want: the patent rendered void, or crippled beyond our caring.</p>
<p>Because they are embarked on an inter partes re-exam, D2L is obligated (part of the law in doing inter partes; no choice) to use all the prior art they are aware of during the re-exam.  They could, if they end up unsuccessful, use up a lot of prior art in their one shot.  They could effectively estopp (block) that prior art from being used in another context.  There are, again, lots of details here and ways I could have stated this incorrectly, but that&#8217;s the gist.</p>
<p>Now, SFLC husbands prior art, using just a little at a time in their ex parte re-exam.  That way, if they don&#8217;t get the desired result first time through, they go back, and use a different, perhaps better,(because it&#8217;s now tuned with info from the first re-exam) piece of prior art the next time.  In ex parte, there is no requirement to shoot all your bullets the first time through.</p>
<p>I think this difference in strategies is at the base of the concerns and the resultant decision to both try and persuade D2L to not go the route they&#8217;re going, and to not get the SFLC prior art all mixed up with the D2L prior art by sharing it with D2L prior to the filing.  See Eben&#8217;s note from earlier today on this thread.</p>
<p>I certainly hope D2L is successful.  We all do.  But the expert counsel we have gone to for advice and help think the way they (SFLC) are going about this is simply better.  There are arguments on both sides on this one, like any complicated issue, but I think the SFLC arguments make sense.  And they have done this before, this re-exam using ex parte, successfully.<br />
Hope that helps,</p>
<p>Joseph</p>
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		<title>By: Wytze Koopal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wytze Koopal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, this is becoming a very interesting thread!
I already said, and let me repeat that here, in the partner meeting and to Michael personally, that I didn&#039;t think Mr. Moglen was over the top during the lunch discussion. For me this is very simple: this is the real world, where sometimes things need to get a little harsh and blunt. That is what I saw and heard, which is OK with me.
I agree with Michael that to me it was not really clear which hat Mr. Moglen was wearing during the discussion. That should have been clearer.
And regarding Clay&#039;s remark that maybe Europeans didn&#039;t get it: I got the message, loud and clear.
There is still a very interesting question from Michael that is open: &quot;I ask again what the reasoning was for declining to send D2L a copy of the ex parte filing.&quot; Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, this is becoming a very interesting thread!<br />
I already said, and let me repeat that here, in the partner meeting and to Michael personally, that I didn&#8217;t think Mr. Moglen was over the top during the lunch discussion. For me this is very simple: this is the real world, where sometimes things need to get a little harsh and blunt. That is what I saw and heard, which is OK with me.<br />
I agree with Michael that to me it was not really clear which hat Mr. Moglen was wearing during the discussion. That should have been clearer.<br />
And regarding Clay&#8217;s remark that maybe Europeans didn&#8217;t get it: I got the message, loud and clear.<br />
There is still a very interesting question from Michael that is open: &#8220;I ask again what the reasoning was for declining to send D2L a copy of the ex parte filing.&#8221; Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Feldstein</title>
		<link>http://mfeldstein.com/blackboard_patent_celebrity_death_match/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Feldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is that the level of discomfort that I heard from many attendees speaks for itself. I did not hear anything like that level of discomfort about any other session. Perhaps you heard differently, and perhaps not everyone who was uncomfortable expressed their concerns to the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is that the level of discomfort that I heard from many attendees speaks for itself. I did not hear anything like that level of discomfort about any other session. Perhaps you heard differently, and perhaps not everyone who was uncomfortable expressed their concerns to the board.</p>
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