Comments on: Sakai Amsterdam 2007: The State of the Union http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-amsterdam-2007-the-state-of-the-union/ What We Are Learning About Online Learning...Online Fri, 18 May 2012 06:39:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Sakai Newport 2007: The State of the Union at e-Literate http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-amsterdam-2007-the-state-of-the-union/#comment-750 Sakai Newport 2007: The State of the Union at e-Literate Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:22:26 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-amsterdam-2007-the-state-of-the-union/#comment-750 [...] Six months ago, following the Amsterdam conference, I was highly encouraged by some of the signs of progress I was seeing in the Sakai community. In an exchange with a commenter on that post, I wrote, The question I’m trying to answer in this blog post is, given these sorts of concerns, how much progress are we likely to see in the next 12-24 months? This turns out to be a difficult question to answer. How does one gauge the health and vitality of any community? My experience has been that an open source project can change direction and take off like a rocket, drop off a cliff, or drift aimlessly, and that this change of direction can happen with little advance warning to even careful outside observers. The leading indicators of a change in direction or velocity tend to be relatively intangible, having to do with the alchemy of the particular inter-personal and inter-institutional relationships that drive the project. They are subtle enough that you often won’t pick them up if you don’t hang around and observe over a significant period of time. For example, if I hadn’t been at the Atlanta conference six months ago, my impression of the Amsterdam conference probably would have been different (and closer to yours). [...] [...] Six months ago, following the Amsterdam conference, I was highly encouraged by some of the signs of progress I was seeing in the Sakai community. In an exchange with a commenter on that post, I wrote, The question I’m trying to answer in this blog post is, given these sorts of concerns, how much progress are we likely to see in the next 12-24 months? This turns out to be a difficult question to answer. How does one gauge the health and vitality of any community? My experience has been that an open source project can change direction and take off like a rocket, drop off a cliff, or drift aimlessly, and that this change of direction can happen with little advance warning to even careful outside observers. The leading indicators of a change in direction or velocity tend to be relatively intangible, having to do with the alchemy of the particular inter-personal and inter-institutional relationships that drive the project. They are subtle enough that you often won’t pick them up if you don’t hang around and observe over a significant period of time. For example, if I hadn’t been at the Atlanta conference six months ago, my impression of the Amsterdam conference probably would have been different (and closer to yours). [...]

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]]> By: OLDaily[中文版] » 2007 » June » 19 http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-amsterdam-2007-the-state-of-the-union/#comment-748 OLDaily[中文版] » 2007 » June » 19 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:58:48 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-amsterdam-2007-the-state-of-the-union/#comment-748 [...] Michael Feldstein 为Sakai项目（Sakai是企业级的Java,以开放源学习管理系统及其他系统为基础）把脉，结论是，“我可以诚实地说，对于Sakai的未来，我从来没有象今天这样充满信心。” 这个结论与其说是对技术现状（技术现状会很快发生变化）的评估，不如说是对社区的评估。“Sakai社区好象突然换档，”他写道。主要变化有：承诺透明化，让非开发者的股东们有归属感， 愿意变化，承诺可用性，质量和标准支持。这些正是一年多以前，我评论Sakai时所指出的，所以这份报告非常振奋人心。Michael Feldstein, e-Literate June 19, 2007 [原文链接] [Tags: Assessment, Usability, Online Learning, Open Source, Project Based Learning, Quality, EDUCAUSE] [参与评论]（paula译） 人文科学最伟大的进步？ [...] [...] Michael Feldstein 为Sakai项目（Sakai是企业级的Java,以开放源学习管理系统及其他系统为基础）把脉，结论是，“我可以诚实地说，对于Sakai的未来，我从来没有象今天这样充满信心。” 这个结论与其说是对技术现状（技术现状会很快发生变化）的评估，不如说是对社区的评估。“Sakai社区好象突然换档，”他写道。主要变化有：承诺透明化，让非开发者的股东们有归属感， 愿意变化，承诺可用性，质量和标准支持。这些正是一年多以前，我评论Sakai时所指出的，所以这份报告非常振奋人心。Michael Feldstein, e-Literate June 19, 2007 [原文链接] [Tags: Assessment, Usability, Online Learning, Open Source, Project Based Learning, Quality, EDUCAUSE] [参与评论]（paula译） 人文科学最伟大的进步？ [...]

]]> By: Michael Feldstein http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-amsterdam-2007-the-state-of-the-union/#comment-747 Michael Feldstein Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:19:39 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-amsterdam-2007-the-state-of-the-union/#comment-747 Ian, the concerns you raise are certainly valid. The question I'm trying to answer in this blog post is, given these sorts of concerns, how much progress are we likely to see in the next 12-24 months? This turns out to be a difficult question to answer. How does one gauge the health and vitality of <em>any</em> community? My experience has been that an open source project can change direction and take off like a rocket, drop off a cliff, or drift aimlessly, and that this change of direction can happen with little advance warning to even careful outside observers. The leading indicators of a change in direction or velocity tend to be relatively intangible, having to do with the alchemy of the particular inter-personal and inter-institutional relationships that drive the project. They are subtle enough that you often won't pick them up if you don't hang around and observe over a significant period of time. For example, if I hadn't been at the Atlanta conference six months ago, my impression of the Amsterdam conference probably would have been different (and closer to yours). My observation as somebody who is not quite an outsider but not quite an insider to the community is that there have been subtle but extremely important shifts in the community dynamics. If I am right, then we should start seeing more tangible indicators of this change within the next 6-12 months and real progress within the next 12-24 months. Ian, the concerns you raise are certainly valid. The question I’m trying to answer in this blog post is, given these sorts of concerns, how much progress are we likely to see in the next 12-24 months? This turns out to be a difficult question to answer. How does one gauge the health and vitality of any community? My experience has been that an open source project can change direction and take off like a rocket, drop off a cliff, or drift aimlessly, and that this change of direction can happen with little advance warning to even careful outside observers. The leading indicators of a change in direction or velocity tend to be relatively intangible, having to do with the alchemy of the particular inter-personal and inter-institutional relationships that drive the project. They are subtle enough that you often won’t pick them up if you don’t hang around and observe over a significant period of time. For example, if I hadn’t been at the Atlanta conference six months ago, my impression of the Amsterdam conference probably would have been different (and closer to yours).

My observation as somebody who is not quite an outsider but not quite an insider to the community is that there have been subtle but extremely important shifts in the community dynamics. If I am right, then we should start seeing more tangible indicators of this change within the next 6-12 months and real progress within the next 12-24 months.

]]> By: Ian Reid http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-amsterdam-2007-the-state-of-the-union/#comment-746 Ian Reid Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:47:53 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-amsterdam-2007-the-state-of-the-union/#comment-746 Hi MichaelThanks for your comments.I attended the Sakai conference as someone outside the community, aiming to assess the product and the community for my institution, which has to make some LMS choices in a couple of years time.My thoughts are <a title="Ian Reid's Sakai blog" href="http://eduspaces.net/iancreid/weblog/" rel="nofollow">here</a> I wasn't as encouraged as you - I'm most concerned about the size and sustainability of the community, as well as its dubious educational proposition - which you also note.It would be good to get some more points of view!Kind regards and thanks for your blogIan Hi MichaelThanks for your comments.I attended the Sakai
conference as someone outside the community, aiming to assess the
product and the community for my institution, which has to make some
LMS choices in a couple of years time.My thoughts are here I
wasn’t as encouraged as you – I’m most concerned about the size and
sustainability of the community, as well as its dubious educational
proposition – which you also note.It would be good to get some more points of view!Kind regards and thanks for your blogIan

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