Comments on: Sakai Conference: Kamenetz Keynote http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/ What We Are Learning About Online Learning...Online Fri, 18 May 2012 06:39:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Kamenetz- DIY U | Now Considering http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/#comment-2287 Kamenetz- DIY U | Now Considering Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:00:34 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/?p=1620#comment-2287 [...] Most interesting reference to Kamenetz: Michael Feldstein’s post on Kamenetz as, amongst other things, keynote speaker for the Sakai 2010 conference in July: http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/ [...] [...] Most interesting reference to Kamenetz: Michael Feldstein’s post on Kamenetz as, amongst other things, keynote speaker for the Sakai 2010 conference in July: http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/ [...]

]]> By: Michael Feldstein http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/#comment-1864 Michael Feldstein Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:05:35 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/?p=1620#comment-1864 Eric, it is good to hear from you, my friend. This is why I have been advocating for a guild-style approach. Our relationships to work and production need to co-evolve with our relationship to education. Eric, it is good to hear from you, my friend.

This is why I have been advocating for a guild-style approach. Our relationships to work and production need to co-evolve with our relationship to education.

]]> By: eric feinblatt http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/#comment-1863 eric feinblatt Thu, 08 Jul 2010 10:25:44 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/?p=1620#comment-1863 We need the humanities to continue exercising our economic dominance....? This is essential to the new economy....? It's statements like these from Anya that need to be brutally punctured. I heard little in her presentation or interview that was anything more complex than 'rapport qualité prix', which is about as standard and conventional economic thinking as one can get. And as old as the hills. If the university as we know it is to collapse of it's own weight, than lets have an analysis of the contradictions of capitalism, not some sidesteps about how we can do what we want to do outside of the structure of the university and continue to contribute to the economics that may eventually make universities fail. It's like the 'green coated' businesses that perpetuate systems of consumption and exchange that make being green impossible. And motivation? Well, as Michael pointed out in his introduction, who's participating in these conversations? Academics and people with good enough jobs who have the economic luxury and, perhaps, predilection for DIY learning. We used to call these people autodidacts. And there were never very many of them around. If the motivation to become one now is based simply upon an equation about value for money, and the result is the same - those very bright MIT students (now DIYers) going to Wall Street to write programs for hedge funds.....well, this really doesn't get us anywhere does it? We need the humanities to continue exercising our economic dominance….? This is essential to the new economy….? It’s statements like these from Anya that need to be brutally punctured. I heard little in her presentation or interview that was anything more complex than ‘rapport qualité prix’, which is about as standard and conventional economic thinking as one can get. And as old as the hills. If the university as we know it is to collapse of it’s own weight, than lets have an analysis of the contradictions of capitalism, not some sidesteps about how we can do what we want to do outside of the structure of the university and continue to contribute to the economics that may eventually make universities fail. It’s like the ‘green coated’ businesses that perpetuate systems of consumption and exchange that make being green impossible. And motivation? Well, as Michael pointed out in his introduction, who’s participating in these conversations? Academics and people with good enough jobs who have the economic luxury and, perhaps, predilection for DIY learning. We used to call these people autodidacts. And there were never very many of them around. If the motivation to become one now is based simply upon an equation about value for money, and the result is the same – those very bright MIT students (now DIYers) going to Wall Street to write programs for hedge funds…..well, this really doesn’t get us anywhere does it?

]]> By: Mark Smithers http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/#comment-1862 Mark Smithers Sun, 04 Jul 2010 11:31:45 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/?p=1620#comment-1862 I haven't watched all of this yet but I just wanted to take the opportunity to say thank you for putting this excellent post together. Cheers Mark I haven’t watched all of this yet but I just wanted to take the opportunity to say thank you for putting this excellent post together.

Cheers

Mark

]]> By: Sakai Conference: Kamenetz Keynote | weiterbildungsblog http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/#comment-1861 Sakai Conference: Kamenetz Keynote | weiterbildungsblog Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:51:10 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/?p=1620#comment-1861 [...] Überhaupt ist seine Vorstellung der Keynote-Sprecherin Anya Kamenetz mindestens so interessant wie die Keynote selbst. Er stellt sie sehr ausführlich als die “Botschafterin der Generation Y” vor, zieht Verbindungen zwischen ihrem Aktionismus und Jamie Oliver und gibt uns eine Orientierungs- bzw. Lesehilfe für “DIY U”: “… which I’m increasingly inclined to think of as simply a trendier and more provocative name for open education”. Michael Feldstein, e-Literate, 1. Juli 2010 [...] [...] Überhaupt ist seine Vorstellung der Keynote-Sprecherin Anya Kamenetz mindestens so interessant wie die Keynote selbst. Er stellt sie sehr ausführlich als die “Botschafterin der Generation Y” vor, zieht Verbindungen zwischen ihrem Aktionismus und Jamie Oliver und gibt uns eine Orientierungs- bzw. Lesehilfe für “DIY U”: “… which I’m increasingly inclined to think of as simply a trendier and more provocative name for open education”. Michael Feldstein, e-Literate, 1. Juli 2010 [...]

]]> By: Michael Feldstein http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/#comment-1860 Michael Feldstein Sat, 03 Jul 2010 08:04:44 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/?p=1620#comment-1860 I think you make a good point, Alan. There is a threshold issue even for relatively motivated people. For example, I have wanted to learn to play the mandolin ever since my wife bought me one. I have the book and some YouTube videos and everything else I need to get started. But I haven't. One thing I know about myself is that I really need to have regular lessons with a teacher---somebody I feel accountable to for my progress---in order to get myself to learn some things that I'd like to learn. This kind of thing can be accomplished within a DIY U framework, but it's more difficult, and it only works for people who have the self-awareness to recognize both the problem and the steps they need to take to solve it. I think you make a good point, Alan. There is a threshold issue even for relatively motivated people. For example, I have wanted to learn to play the mandolin ever since my wife bought me one. I have the book and some YouTube videos and everything else I need to get started. But I haven’t. One thing I know about myself is that I really need to have regular lessons with a teacher—somebody I feel accountable to for my progress—in order to get myself to learn some things that I’d like to learn.

This kind of thing can be accomplished within a DIY U framework, but it’s more difficult, and it only works for people who have the self-awareness to recognize both the problem and the steps they need to take to solve it.

]]> By: Alan Levine http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/#comment-1859 Alan Levine Sat, 03 Jul 2010 07:37:35 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/?p=1620#comment-1859 Thanks for sharing the large package of videos, Michael, and must agree the Dan Pink on on motivation has me thinking-- because in all of this I see some huge assumptions and looming gaps in the motivations needed to become a DIY Uer much less to stay in it. I appreciate Anya's described differences in journalistic writing and academic, but am having difficulty following a metaphorical line to learning. She has a rather significant extrinsic motivation to write that a student or academic professional lacks- she gets paid to do this and the sources of these funds are among the oldest of professions (advertising); (but maybe it is that amount that Pink suggests takes the money off the table?). Also, a relatively small number of people can make it as journalists in the realm she is now. Yes, as a journalist she takes some DIY approach, but she is already leveraged up with a reason to even start down the DIY path. I see us focusing on the DIYness of someone who is already in the game (the focus being on tools and content now), but what is missing is the oomph that will even get people to the front door. Thanks for sharing the large package of videos, Michael, and must agree the Dan Pink on on motivation has me thinking– because in all of this I see some huge assumptions and looming gaps in the motivations needed to become a DIY Uer much less to stay in it.

I appreciate Anya’s described differences in journalistic writing and academic, but am having difficulty following a metaphorical line to learning. She has a rather significant extrinsic motivation to write that a student or academic professional lacks- she gets paid to do this and the sources of these funds are among the oldest of professions (advertising); (but maybe it is that amount that Pink suggests takes the money off the table?). Also, a relatively small number of people can make it as journalists in the realm she is now.

Yes, as a journalist she takes some DIY approach, but she is already leveraged up with a reason to even start down the DIY path. I see us focusing on the DIYness of someone who is already in the game (the focus being on tools and content now), but what is missing is the oomph that will even get people to the front door.

]]> By: Bruce D'Arcus http://mfeldstein.com/sakai-conference-kamenetz-keynote/#comment-1858 Bruce D'Arcus Fri, 02 Jul 2010 01:10:56 +0000 http://mfeldstein.com/?p=1620#comment-1858 Love the Pink video, and the connections you've drawn to Anya's stuff. I also think you ask a really good question at the end. On a smaller technical-ish note, on your comment that <q>it will be important not only to make the profile accessible outside of the login but also to make it exportable. Ultimately, we may need some sort of XML or RDF format for the digital CV</q>, I think this is probably a use case where RDF and linked data support is a perfect match. Here you go even beyond the notion of importing and exporting content, or fixed formats, to the idea that flexible semi-structured data is always together with the content, in some cases even embedded directly in it, as with the RDFa behind Facebook's <a href="http://developers.facebook.com/docs/opengraph" rel="nofollow">Open Graph protocol</a>. Why shouldn't data be able to be linked, merged, queried, and shared across multiple contexts, after all; not just within a particular Sakai instance, say, but beyond? I'm also really interested in (e.g. have started writing a blog post about it, but not finished) in making it MUCH easier to find and share teaching resources among faculty than it currently is. Nate Angell started a thread on this on the sakai-kernel list inspired by the RDF support being baked into Drupal 7. There might be something to this for Sakai as well. Love the Pink video, and the connections you’ve drawn to Anya’s stuff. I also think you ask a really good question at the end.

On a smaller technical-ish note, on your comment that it will be important not only to make the profile accessible outside of the login but also to make it exportable. Ultimately, we may need some sort of XML or RDF format for the digital CV, I think this is probably a use case where RDF and linked data support is a perfect match. Here you go even beyond the notion of importing and exporting content, or fixed formats, to the idea that flexible semi-structured data is always together with the content, in some cases even embedded directly in it, as with the RDFa behind Facebook’s Open Graph protocol. Why shouldn’t data be able to be linked, merged, queried, and shared across multiple contexts, after all; not just within a particular Sakai instance, say, but beyond?

I’m also really interested in (e.g. have started writing a blog post about it, but not finished) in making it MUCH easier to find and share teaching resources among faculty than it currently is.

Nate Angell started a thread on this on the sakai-kernel list inspired by the RDF support being baked into Drupal 7. There might be something to this for Sakai as well.

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