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		<title>By: Eloy Kaser</title>
		<link>http://mfeldstein.com/sociallearn-bridging-the-gap-between-web-20-and-higher-education/#comment-3794</link>
		<dc:creator>Eloy Kaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An impressive share, I simply given this onto a colleague who was doing a little bit evaluation on this. And he in actual fact purchased me breakfast as a result of I discovered it for him.. smile. So let me reword that: Thnx for the treat! However yeah Thnkx for spending the time to discuss this, I really feel strongly about it and love studying extra on this topic. If potential, as you turn out to be experience, would you thoughts updating your weblog with extra details? It is extremely helpful for me. Large thumb up for this blog publish!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An impressive share, I simply given this onto a colleague who was doing a little bit evaluation on this. And he in actual fact purchased me breakfast as a result of I discovered it for him.. smile. So let me reword that: Thnx for the treat! However yeah Thnkx for spending the time to discuss this, I really feel strongly about it and love studying extra on this topic. If potential, as you turn out to be experience, would you thoughts updating your weblog with extra details? It is extremely helpful for me. Large thumb up for this blog publish!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Tuttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Tuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you that centralized LMS is not the answer to the Web 2.0 program for education. I have just completed two online courses; one using a traditional learning management system (LMS) and the other driven through a wiki. The only thing these two classes had in common was that I was able to access them through the Web. I totally agree that the LMS is clumsy, standardized, and quite honestly, out-of-date. It was a very hierarchial class. The social aspect was non-existent; I did not talk with any other student throughout the six week class.

However, the class delivered though the wiki was very social, and offered lots of interaction. Classmates were able to contact other students through a variety of options and ask questions.  It personalized the class and offered more interpersonal contact than even a traditional face-to-face classroom.

It will be interesting to see how higher ed classes begin to morph to meet the needs of students today and in the future. I am excited to see how the educational framework will change to encompass all of the benefits of Web 2.0. Universities typically lag so far behind the technology already offered in the outside world. Those that thrive will be the ones that buck the mantra, &quot;But we&#039;ve always done it this way before.&quot; Here&#039;s to the future and all of the changes to come!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you that centralized LMS is not the answer to the Web 2.0 program for education. I have just completed two online courses; one using a traditional learning management system (LMS) and the other driven through a wiki. The only thing these two classes had in common was that I was able to access them through the Web. I totally agree that the LMS is clumsy, standardized, and quite honestly, out-of-date. It was a very hierarchial class. The social aspect was non-existent; I did not talk with any other student throughout the six week class.</p>
<p>However, the class delivered though the wiki was very social, and offered lots of interaction. Classmates were able to contact other students through a variety of options and ask questions.  It personalized the class and offered more interpersonal contact than even a traditional face-to-face classroom.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how higher ed classes begin to morph to meet the needs of students today and in the future. I am excited to see how the educational framework will change to encompass all of the benefits of Web 2.0. Universities typically lag so far behind the technology already offered in the outside world. Those that thrive will be the ones that buck the mantra, &#8220;But we&#8217;ve always done it this way before.&#8221; Here&#8217;s to the future and all of the changes to come!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to let you know you can sign-up for early access to the SocialLearn beta at: http://www.open.ac.uk/sociallearn/
We plan to launch this in the Autumn.
Laura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let you know you can sign-up for early access to the SocialLearn beta at: <a href="http://www.open.ac.uk/sociallearn/" rel="nofollow">http://www.open.ac.uk/sociallearn/</a><br />
We plan to launch this in the Autumn.<br />
Laura</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there needs to be elements of both.  I have taught some students that would take to this approach like a duck to water and go very very far.  I have also taught other students that didn&#039;t have the motivation or couldn&#039;t effectively work out and follow their own paths.

Ultimately I think some sort of hybrid of both would be ideal.  I would however love to give such a system a go in some of my classes and see how it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there needs to be elements of both.  I have taught some students that would take to this approach like a duck to water and go very very far.  I have also taught other students that didn&#8217;t have the motivation or couldn&#8217;t effectively work out and follow their own paths.</p>
<p>Ultimately I think some sort of hybrid of both would be ideal.  I would however love to give such a system a go in some of my classes and see how it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Teaching + Learning Centre &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bridging the Gap Between Web 2.0 and Higher Education</title>
		<link>http://mfeldstein.com/sociallearn-bridging-the-gap-between-web-20-and-higher-education/#comment-1096</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching + Learning Centre &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bridging the Gap Between Web 2.0 and Higher Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Open Education Conference 2008 &#124; Networked Learner News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Education Conference 2008 &#124; Networked Learner News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I just saw on Twitter that Martin Weller (whose post on the gap between Web 2.0 and higher education is a must read) is submitting a proposal to this year&#8217;s Open Education Conference, hosted by Utah State University&#8217;s Center for Open and Sustainable Learning on September 24-26. Which reminded me that I haven&#8217;t plugged the call for proposals yet. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I just saw on Twitter that Martin Weller (whose post on the gap between Web 2.0 and higher education is a must read) is submitting a proposal to this year&#8217;s Open Education Conference, hosted by Utah State University&#8217;s Center for Open and Sustainable Learning on September 24-26. Which reminded me that I haven&#8217;t plugged the call for proposals yet. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Gap: Web 2.0 &#38; Higher Ed &#124; Networked Learner News</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gap: Web 2.0 &#38; Higher Ed &#124; Networked Learner News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just read an excellent post by Martin Weller over at e-Literate. Weller makes the excellent point that instituting social learning technology (Web 2.0 apps) in higher ed is not merely a matter of technology&#8211;it is (surprise) just as much a social and cultural issue. (Weller is from the Open University and is one of the key players behind SocialLearn.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Just read an excellent post by Martin Weller over at e-Literate. Weller makes the excellent point that instituting social learning technology (Web 2.0 apps) in higher ed is not merely a matter of technology&#8211;it is (surprise) just as much a social and cultural issue. (Weller is from the Open University and is one of the key players behind SocialLearn.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Rheingold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Rheingold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Nils. I&#039;ve been reading both Cormier and Downes and will read your e-portofolios material with interest. Yes, I&#039;m interested in peer assessment and self-assessment -- I have as more or more to learn than my students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Nils. I&#8217;ve been reading both Cormier and Downes and will read your e-portofolios material with interest. Yes, I&#8217;m interested in peer assessment and self-assessment &#8212; I have as more or more to learn than my students.</p>
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		<title>By: Nils Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nils Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Howard
I saw your comment followed your link to learn more about your course. You might be interested to look at Dave Cormier’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://davecormier.com/edblog/2008/06/03/rhizomatic-education-community-as-curriculum/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rhizomic Education&lt;/a&gt; where I think he addresses some of the Learning 2.0 ideas that you are exploring in your social media course.

What I don’t see you describing about the course is the process of assessment. By ‘assessment’ I mean something more far reaching and transformative than ‘grading,’ something more like ‘how is assessment a social process and how is it conducted in social media.’ Let me point at several ideas.

You say, “although a willingness to learn new media through point-and-click exploration might come naturally to today’s student cohort, there’s nothing innate about knowing how to apply their skills to the processes of civil society, scientific or scholarly innovation, or economic production.” To talk about learning those skills, I refer you to Grant Wiggins’ Assessing Student Performance, Jossey-Bass, 1993, in Chapter 6 on Feedback. He differentiates ‘feedback’ from ‘guidance’ in several examples and defines feedback as “information that provides the performer with direct, usable insights into current performance, based on tangible differences between current performance and hoped-for performance.”  I note the bulk of comments to your blog post, which are neither feedback nor guidance. I think your course is striving to help students learn to ask for and give more useful assessments – in order to move their collective work forward.

Stephen Downes in &lt;a href=&quot;http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2007/06/open-source-assessment.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Open Source Assessment&lt;/a&gt; says, “When posed the question [about what] the ideal open online course would look like, my eventual response was that it would not look like a course at all, just the assessment.

“The reasoning was this: were students given the opportunity to attempt the assessment, without the requirement that they sit through lectures or otherwise proprietary forms of learning, then they would create their own learning resources.” Perhaps your course could similarly pose an assessment for successful use of social media.

At WSU’s Center for Teaching Learning and Technology, we have been exploring &lt;a href=&quot;http://wsuctlt.blogspot.com/2008/03/case-studies-of-electronic-portfolios.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ePortfolios for learning&lt;/a&gt; using some case studies drawn from our recent &lt;a href=&quot;http://ctlt.wsu.edu/contest07/gallery&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ePortfolio contest&lt;/a&gt;. In particular, &lt;a href=&quot;https://mysite.wsu.edu/personal/mtamez/calaboz/default.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;El Calaboz ePortfolio&lt;/a&gt; will interest you because the author is using social media to organize a resistance to the border wall being constructed between the US and Mexico.  A recent outgrowth of our thinking about these ideas is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://wsuctlt.blogspot.com/2008/06/transforming-grade-book.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;transformed (transformative) grade book&lt;/a&gt;.  It would seem your course is well suited to be implemented using ideas from our first or second variation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Howard<br />
I saw your comment followed your link to learn more about your course. You might be interested to look at Dave Cormier’s <a href="http://davecormier.com/edblog/2008/06/03/rhizomatic-education-community-as-curriculum/" rel="nofollow">Rhizomic Education</a> where I think he addresses some of the Learning 2.0 ideas that you are exploring in your social media course.</p>
<p>What I don’t see you describing about the course is the process of assessment. By ‘assessment’ I mean something more far reaching and transformative than ‘grading,’ something more like ‘how is assessment a social process and how is it conducted in social media.’ Let me point at several ideas.</p>
<p>You say, “although a willingness to learn new media through point-and-click exploration might come naturally to today’s student cohort, there’s nothing innate about knowing how to apply their skills to the processes of civil society, scientific or scholarly innovation, or economic production.” To talk about learning those skills, I refer you to Grant Wiggins’ Assessing Student Performance, Jossey-Bass, 1993, in Chapter 6 on Feedback. He differentiates ‘feedback’ from ‘guidance’ in several examples and defines feedback as “information that provides the performer with direct, usable insights into current performance, based on tangible differences between current performance and hoped-for performance.”  I note the bulk of comments to your blog post, which are neither feedback nor guidance. I think your course is striving to help students learn to ask for and give more useful assessments – in order to move their collective work forward.</p>
<p>Stephen Downes in <a href="http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2007/06/open-source-assessment.html" rel="nofollow">Open Source Assessment</a> says, “When posed the question [about what] the ideal open online course would look like, my eventual response was that it would not look like a course at all, just the assessment.</p>
<p>“The reasoning was this: were students given the opportunity to attempt the assessment, without the requirement that they sit through lectures or otherwise proprietary forms of learning, then they would create their own learning resources.” Perhaps your course could similarly pose an assessment for successful use of social media.</p>
<p>At WSU’s Center for Teaching Learning and Technology, we have been exploring <a href="http://wsuctlt.blogspot.com/2008/03/case-studies-of-electronic-portfolios.html" rel="nofollow">ePortfolios for learning</a> using some case studies drawn from our recent <a href="http://ctlt.wsu.edu/contest07/gallery" rel="nofollow">ePortfolio contest</a>. In particular, <a href="https://mysite.wsu.edu/personal/mtamez/calaboz/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">El Calaboz ePortfolio</a> will interest you because the author is using social media to organize a resistance to the border wall being constructed between the US and Mexico.  A recent outgrowth of our thinking about these ideas is a <a href="http://wsuctlt.blogspot.com/2008/06/transforming-grade-book.html" rel="nofollow">transformed (transformative) grade book</a>.  It would seem your course is well suited to be implemented using ideas from our first or second variation.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Yeidel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Yeidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard Rheingold describes above a very collaborative, generative curriculum for his course.  There is a power to using social media in a course on social media, and having the students playing roles as contributors, learners, researchers, and experimental subjects all at the same time.  If students feel a little overwhelmed at times, as Howard reports, that&#039;s not necessarily a bad thing at some stages of learning.

Howard says &quot;I’ve become convinced that the [social] media themselves are best used in a pedagogy in which collaborative inquiry replaces the delivery of knowledge.&quot;  It could equally be said that LMS systems are best used in a pedagogy of collaborative inquiry.  In fact, all the major LMS systems are adopting social media tools as part of their toolkit.  We are already seeing class wikis (or at least, wiki pages) at Washington State University, where I work.  However, this doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that collaborative inquiry is the core pedagogy;  assessment is still at the heart of the issue.  A class wiki does not necessarily exclude a multiple-choice final exam.

If technological tools can encourage rethinking of pedagogy, that&#039;s very well.  However, my experience over the past 15 years suggests that faculty (especially Ph.D. faculty) are expert at subverting systems for their own purposes.  When those purposes focus on minimizing the amount that teaching distracts them from their research, Web 2.0 tools will not help.

Howard&#039;s description of his class is inspiring less because of its use of social media and more because of its collaborative and collegial structure.  While the tools can provide some logistical lubrication, it is Howard&#039;s attitude toward his students that makes me wish I could take his course.  I&#039;m sure we&#039;d learn a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard Rheingold describes above a very collaborative, generative curriculum for his course.  There is a power to using social media in a course on social media, and having the students playing roles as contributors, learners, researchers, and experimental subjects all at the same time.  If students feel a little overwhelmed at times, as Howard reports, that&#8217;s not necessarily a bad thing at some stages of learning.</p>
<p>Howard says &#8220;I’ve become convinced that the [social] media themselves are best used in a pedagogy in which collaborative inquiry replaces the delivery of knowledge.&#8221;  It could equally be said that LMS systems are best used in a pedagogy of collaborative inquiry.  In fact, all the major LMS systems are adopting social media tools as part of their toolkit.  We are already seeing class wikis (or at least, wiki pages) at Washington State University, where I work.  However, this doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that collaborative inquiry is the core pedagogy;  assessment is still at the heart of the issue.  A class wiki does not necessarily exclude a multiple-choice final exam.</p>
<p>If technological tools can encourage rethinking of pedagogy, that&#8217;s very well.  However, my experience over the past 15 years suggests that faculty (especially Ph.D. faculty) are expert at subverting systems for their own purposes.  When those purposes focus on minimizing the amount that teaching distracts them from their research, Web 2.0 tools will not help.</p>
<p>Howard&#8217;s description of his class is inspiring less because of its use of social media and more because of its collaborative and collegial structure.  While the tools can provide some logistical lubrication, it is Howard&#8217;s attitude toward his students that makes me wish I could take his course.  I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;d learn a lot.</p>
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